Episode 103 – Live from the Speakers’ Room…

… With returning guest Shane Birley!

Transcript of Live Chat.

Show Notes:



Let it go, Currie, let it go… Try talking about the BlackBerry tablet instead.

Bieber to host Punk’d.


Television will now have apps.

Rogers trialing LTE in Ottawa… On WIND & Mobilicity bands?

Make it stop! Awkward Family Photos being developed into a TV series.

ACTA lighter than C-32.

bit.ly blows; ur1.ca is #1

One moar on Facebook… It fucking PATENTS location updates?!

Full Dysclosure

Mike reports from The Speakers’ Room at Social Media Camp.

Anth rants on the Commonwealth Games.

Me: It’s not about child pornography, it’s about dumb cops versus smart hackers.

Bonus: The map of the internets gets an update for 2010.


Big thanks to Campbell & Brown’s T-Shirt Town for making us some fabulous t-shirts to giveaway. (They’re based in Portland, Oregon – which is pretty much the closest city America has to Canada…in terms of awesomeness.)

Listen and learn…or just read here how you can get a mention. Leave a comment, mention us in a tweet, etc, etc. Then you get a shout-out. Yes, it’s that simple. All the cool kids are doing it!

Howdy to our Twitter pals, a #FollowFriday will be yours again this week.

And as always, much love to our chat room participants.


Huron, with their track “The Biggest Dig”. [edit: Anth thinks this song kicks ass!]


  1. Thought I would comment here, to get a conversation going.

    Re: Television will have apps

    Apps aren’t new. All Apple did (and Google followed) was add differentiated pricing (Prices > $0) to the package management system that modern OS’s like Linux have been using for decades.

    I want apps on my television, just like I like them on my NexusOne. What is needed is education for users to understand the difference between trusted and untrusted repositories, and to better understand the trust they need to have of the author of applications. The sandboxed environments that apps run in that require approval when installing give some security/privacy, but are useless if device owners click “OK” on any question that comes up that has an “OK” option.

    Smart devices combined with dumb owner/operators is an issue we need to fix. Otherwise having smart devices will turn out to have been a dumb idea.

    Re: Rogers LTE

    Doesn’t surprise me. Maybe that is why my WIND coverage has been a bit less reliable in the last little while. I’m willing to put up with lower coverage to *NOT* be on Bell, Rogers or Telus who I consider to be scum-bags (for a wide variety of policy reasons).

    Re: ACTA

    May be lighter than envisioned by the USSA, but still nasty. One of the things often missed is that it allows associations to sue on behalf of members. Pretty scummy, and it yet another way they want to remove accountability and transparency to their business model choices (Including a lack of licensing options that lead to inevitable lawsuits). If alleged infringers should have their identity revealed as part of a lawsuit, the alleged copyright holder must as well. And the copyright holder should feel the brunt of the costs of the court of public opinion as well as the traditional legal courts.

    The USSA will do with ACTA like they did with the policy laundered 1996 WIPO treaties, which is to claim that the only interpretation of the flexible compromise language in the treaty is the extremist US interpretation (which was rejected during negotiation). This is what we see in Bill C-32 on TPMs which is the US proposal that was clearly rejected at WIPO, including by the Canadian negotiators at the time.

    Scumbags and uninformed politicians get us bad policy every time.

    Re: crypto vs. social engineering

    Encrypting your data protects it better than some dumbass that can be convinced to install a Trojan on their own computer. Yes, the police need to have the skills or know where to hire them, something that some forces aren’t good at. I don’t think it is right to try to equate these two very dissimilar scenarios.

    50 characters * ~6 bits is 300 bits for passphrase for key. Far stronger than most people use, so should be understood as very strong. Brute force on that passphrase would take considerable computing power.

  2. “I don’t think it is right to try to equate these two very dissimilar scenarios.”

    Technically right or morally so?

    The fact of the matter is the aforementioned kid was able to do what UK police apparently could not. Maybe my anti-G20 bias is showing here — I’m finding myself not so much a fan of police forces in general as of late…

  3. I am talking strictly as a matter of science and technology, not morality. Social engineering is easy, cracking strong cryptography is hard.

    The question about morality is entirely different. I don’t assume that if it is against the law that it is morally wrong, or that if it is being done by police that it is morally right. Real live is never that simple.

    The recent G-20 summit was no surprise to me, being involved in the MAI-not campaigns in the 1990’s and participating in the G8 events in Ottawa in 2002. I do not believe protesters=good and police=bad , and blame protesters who accept “diversity of tactics” rhetoric for most of the violence and vandalism that the black block and police were able to get away with.

    We can talk off the record some time about my high-school years as a hacker of a different type than I am today. We can even talk about my late-university years being asked a few times by RCMP to help them with investigations involving Amiga’s where they didn’t have the needed expertise in-house (I was the authorised Commodore service tech for Eastern Ontario at the time).

    You won’t be surprised to hear that I have experience in so-called “copy control” systems dating from the early 1980’s to current, which is how I’m able to translate silly marketing terms like “copy control” into real-world technology as part of my current policy work.

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